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Nicholas Decker's avatar

I feel like you're not really following your premises to your conclusions here. What I mean by that is, you admit x - "massive inefficiency, very few, if at all, useful skills, etc" but then don't want to admit 80% is for signaling (and maybe 20% in human capital growth, but that's more for science - we are all capable of reading books and writing on our own - less so operating a laboratory (the days of Lavoisiers have passed))

Also, reason that I forgot to mention - part of it is because this the best party experience students can *convince their parents to pay for* - that may fall under signaling a bit, as it's signaling to the parents whatever the parent wants out of it.

Lastly, as regards ethics, I personally believe the reason why it is bad is two fold - firstly, you'll feel guilty about it, and secondly, it'll invite retribution. To be honest, because, in my view, the goodness or badness of an act is dependent upon whether you want it. You don't want to be killed, so you consider killing to be bad - unless it is against someone or some group whom you want to be killed, in which case it is good. You killing another is bad simply because other individuals will punish you, and no further. I'd also argue that objectivity is categorically impossible with two exceptions - this rule, and I think therefore I am (and I think free will is disprovable in and of itself, but that's a whole different rabbit hole) If all human perception is non provable, then literally everything we perceive must be subjective.

Anyway, good blog!!

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Crotchety Crank's avatar

I enjoyed the post, but as a former philosophy major focusing on ethics, I'd like to chime in on your "intro to ethics" class in particular. I had a similar class as you, and came out with similar conclusions. Our reading for "deontology" was Kant's "Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals", and nothing else. (Interested to hear what your curriculum was.) At the end of it, I was left at a loss for how "deontology" is supposed to answer the questions we want an ethics to answer, or really how a theory of it could be consistent.

It was only after later classes - one focusing on "deontology" in particular - that I realized how unfair the intro class had been. Kant's title has the word "Metaphysics" in it for a reason; it isn't trying to sketch out an ethical theory, it's trying to sketch a *metaethical* theory - not saying "what deontological principles and constraints are there", but "how can deontological constraints exist in the world and where would they come from."

Imagine if I presented you two methods of working with fractions. One is the familiar way using Arabic numerals. The other defines ZFC set theory, defines integers by induction, defines fractions as ordered pairs of integers satisfying certain properties... You might say, "I don't see why anyone would use method 2", and you'd be right; that concept of fractions isn't meant to work as a practical theory, it's metatheory allowing certain kinds of proofs to be done about them and rational numbers in general. The analogy, of course, is that my intro to ethics class presented me with the axiomatic, metaethical version of "deontology", rather than a more practical version; and of course this came off as more confusing and less appealing than comparatively simple (if you don't delve into it) theories of consequentialism.

A better, fairer class would have had us reading Rawls, Ross, Judith Thomson, and/or Nozick. Rights-based theories in particular are often not reducible to consequentialism, but make specific prescriptions which are intuitively plausible. Rawls in particular takes himself to be applying and expanding Kantian ideas to generate a specific theory (constructivism). You might still end up liking consequentialism more, but at the very least you'd have something specific to measure it against, and be able to understand why some people like "deontology" even if an ethics based on Kant alone ends up feeling weird and implausible.

Also, while I understand the use of drawing lines in the sand, I dislike the "consequentialism or deontology" dichotomy - it's very misleading. If anything, "deontology" is a category invented to be a catch-all foil to consequentialism; it's... "everything else." But there's lots of variety and disagreement among the people I named above; grouping them honestly doesn't make much sense.

I hope you read this - I know this is very belated, I just discovered this blog! If you're inclined to reply, I'm interested to hear if you had a better class than me and focused on more than just Kant for "deontology".

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